Wrested Scriptures

The Trinity


Common
Trinity
 Personality
   of the Spirit
 Christ
   Preliminary
  Strategy
  Genesis 1:26
  Isaiah 9:6
  Matthew 1:23
  Matthew 28:19
  John 1:1-3
  John 3:13
  John 5:23
  John 6:33,38,51
  John 6:62
  John 8:23
  John 8:58
  John 10:17,18
  John 10:30
  John 14:9
  John 17:5
  John 20:28
  Romans 9:5
  Philippians 2:6
  Col. 1:15,16
  Eph. 4:8-10
  Hebrews 1:2
  Hebrews 1:8
  Hebrews 1:10-12
  Hebrews 7:3
  Hebrews 10:5
  1 John 4:3
  1 John 5:20
  Revelation 3:14
Soul
Heaven
Hell
Satan/Demons
"Saved"
Baptism
Resurrection
Antichrist

Unique
Catholic
Mormon
SDA
JW
British Israel
Church
of Christ
Pentecostal
Islam

Science
Miracles
Evolution
Creation
Carbon Dating

Inspiration
Partial
Contradictions
& Inaccuracies

John 6:62
"What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?"
Problem:
It is argued that if the Son of man could ascend up to where he was before, then clearly he must have pre-existed before his "incarnation" on earth.
Solution:
  1. This passage proves too much. It is argued that "God the Son" pre-existed as a spirit creature in heaven prior to his "incarnation", but the passage in John reads, "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?" Did the Son of man literally come down from heaven?

  2. The context indicates that verse 62 is part of a discourse in which Jesus compares himself to the manna which God provided for Israel. The fact that this manna was referred to as "bread from heaven" (vs. 31) did not mean that it actually descended from heaven through the great expanse of space to the earth, but rather that it had its origin in heaven. Similarly, Christ was of divine origin - "from heaven", since the Holy Spirit was sent from heaven to effect his conception in the womb of Mary. (Luke 1:35). He later ascended to heaven. (Acts 1:10, 11).

  3. This passage may be an allusion to Jesus' resurrection from the dead.  "Ascend up" comes from the Greek "anabaino", and is the same word used to describe Jesus as he came up out of the waters of baptism in the Jordan River.  And as we all know, baptism is a symbol of death and RESURRECTION.   In John 6, Jesus could have been posing a rhetorical question, "If people stumble over me now, what will they do when I rise from the dead?"